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Welcome to the BowWork podcast.

I'm Shirley Sykes.

It is Monday.

It is Martin Luther King, Jr. Day.

And of course, this is the day we set aside from my conversation with my colleague, Will Salitan.

Good morning, Will. How are you?

Good morning, Charlie.

I thought that was a beautiful passage that you had in your newsletter about MLK Day.

And I hope everyone will read it.

Well, I tried to do something a little bit different because I wanted to include a sermon that he gave.

It's an only sermon from 1957, where he's talking about why you should love your neighbor.

And it is worth remembering that, yes, he was a great figure for economic justice,

but also you cannot separate his Christianity, his very deep and thoughtful Christianity from what he did.

And as a thought experiment, I asked people, you know, compare the role of Christianity

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