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Hello and welcome to Coffey House Shots, the Spectators Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Max Jeffrey and I'm joined today by Katie Balls and by James Johnson of

JL Partners the polling company. A new poll came out this morning showing

reform just four points behind the Tories. They were on 15% the Conservatives on 19%.

Katie, what did you make of it?

I think it will add to Tory fears about the Reform Party about

will the impact of Le Anderson's defection last week to the

Reform Party will have and whether the current plan in number 10 to push the

election to the autumn which the thing has always been their default.

It's going to give reform this time to build up more of a presence and be even greater

a threat by the time you get there.

Now it is one poll, usual caveat supply and I think the

reform party have made the very point which is you know they're not going to get excited about

their best poll and ignore the other ones and also if you're the Reform Party what are you judging success by because

Nigel Farage who of course is linked to reform even though he's not the leader of it and

many of the people who work in reform they know feel well that they can

get millions of votes and not really have a single MP but given Richard Tice has been

pretty clear that he thinks his you know achievement or his mission is to bring down the Tory party.

If you're judging it by that metric, this poll suggests that they are making good progress in terms of getting there.

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