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Fareed Zakaria GPS

Will Putin use nukes in Ukraine? Could Iran’s protestors do real damage to the regime?

Fareed Zakaria GPS

CNN

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4.23.1K Ratings

🗓️ 9 October 2022

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Fareed sits down with retired US Army Gen. Wesley Clark, a former NATO Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, to discuss Ukraine's recent successes in the war and whether Putin might respond with nuclear weapons. And, as protests for revolution in Iran continue, Fareed speaks to Iranian-American writer Roya Hakakian about how she says it feels like Iran’s 1979 revolution all over again and could have the same effect – the toppling of a government. Then, after OPEC+ announced it was slashing oil production, Fareed talks to Amrita Sen, founder and director of research at Energy Aspects, about the decision – one that was a present to Putin and a rebuff to Biden. Plus, when Fareed was in Ukraine he sat down with Andriy Yermak, the head of Ukraine’s presidential office and Zelensky's right hand man, to ask what it's like to govern a country at war. GUESTS: Wesley Clark (@GeneralClark), Roya Hakakian (@RoyaTheWriter), Amrita Sen (@ea_amrita), Andriy Yermak (@AndriyYermak) To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is GPS, the Global Public Square. Welcome to all of you in the United States and around the world.

0:07.0

I'm Farid Zakaria, coming to you from New York.

0:11.0

On today's program is Ukraine winning the war.

0:16.0

And how do we handle Putin's nuclear threats?

0:19.0

I will ask that to the former NATO Supreme Commander in Europe, General Wesley Clark.

0:25.0

Also 43 years later are we on the verge of another revolution in Iran?

0:32.0

The images of mostly young people rising up against the regime have captivated all of us.

0:38.0

I will talk to an Iranian writer who explains what the protesters want.

0:44.0

And at a time when economies are struggling around the globe and Russia is already getting a billion dollars every few days in oil and gas revenues,

0:53.0

why in the world did OPEC just slash oil production?

0:57.0

Everything has a price. Energy security has a price as well.

1:00.0

We will explain.

1:04.0

But first, here's my take.

1:06.0

One of the few issues on which there's a consensus in Washington these days is that American policy toward China was built on an intellectual error.

1:16.0

Liberals and conservatives both believed that Beijing's embrace of free markets and its integration with the global economy would fundamentally change China.

1:25.0

But they didn't. And so the consensus goes, we should recognize that this was a naive belief in the power of markets and trade.

1:34.0

In fact, viewing China on the eve of the pivotal 20th party congress, I'm struck by how little that line of analysis captures what has actually happened in China over the last decades.

1:46.0

China has gone through profound economic and social changes. Its poor capital GDP has gone up almost 30 fold since the start of economic liberalization in 1978.

1:58.0

Mass education and urbanization have changed the face of the country. Hundreds of millions of Chinese on our middle class use the most cutting edge tools of the information revolution and have considerable freedom to own properties, start businesses and change residences all previously forbidden.

2:17.0

It is precisely in response to these massive changes that Xi Jinping has launched his program of repression and centralization.

2:26.0

You see, when Xi came to power, he determined that economic liberalization was actually transforming China profoundly in a bad way.

2:35.0

He believed that the Communist Party was on the verge of becoming irrelevant in a society dominated by capitalism and consumerism.

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