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Capitalisn't

Will Privatizing The Mortgage Giants Solve The Housing Crisis?

Capitalisn't

University of Chicago Podcast Network

Stigler Center, Chicago Booth, Socialism, Antitrust, University Of Chicago Podcast Network, Growth, 087667, Policy, Monopoly, Professors, Distortion, Research, Competition, Capitalisnt, Inequality, Promarket, Politics, Policymaking, Special Interest, Economics, Efficiency, Regulations, Chicago, Business, Markets, University Of Chicago, Kate Waldock, Capitalism, Friction, Bethany Mclean, Government, Macroeconomics, News, Education, Waldock, Georgetown, Microeconomics, Luigi Zingales, Zingales, Finance, Ucpn

4.5 • 584 Ratings

🗓️ 4 September 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

This week, the Trump administration announced it would sell around 5% of mortgage giants and government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The sale would begin to reintroduce the two firms to private markets after 17 years of government conservatorship. The decision to re-privatize two of the largest mortgage firms in the world, and a prominent reason why the United States is one of the only countries where people can get 30-year fixed-rate mortgages, will have enormous implications for the U.S. economy, housing market, and the American dream. Fannie Mae was founded during the Great Depression with the idea of making mortgages more widely available to Americans by buying mortgage loans from banks. Freddie Mac came along in 1970 to provide competition and increase liquidity for mortgages. In part, Fannie and Freddie increased liquidity by repackaging their mortgages into mortgage-backed securities and reselling them to investors. In the early 2000s, the subprime mortgage crisis began as smaller, unregulated financial actors started offering risky mortgage loans and likewise repackaged them to investors. When the crisis imploded in 2008, it gutted the market for mortgage-backed securities, and the U.S. government seized Fannie and Freddie to prevent them from collapsing. The government feared that without Freddie and Fannie, many Americans would no longer be able to afford home ownership. Today, Fannie and Freddie still back roughly 50% of all mortgage loans, with other government agencies making up another chunk. The Trump administration’s plans to take these GSEs public again will allow the two firms to raise billions through new stock offerings and shift risk back to the private sector. But the question is, why is the government doing this? Will it help fix the country’s housing crisis—which Trump has reportedly called a national emergency—or will it make matters worse? Bethany and Luigi get together to discuss what it would mean for Fannie and Freddie to go public, who benefits from these developments, and their implications for home loans, the housing market, and the American economy.

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0:00.0

I'm Bethany McLean.

0:03.4

Did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism and whether greed's a good idea?

0:08.6

And I'm Luigi Zengales.

0:10.0

We have socialism for the very rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

0:15.5

And this is Capital Isn't, a podcast about what is working in capitalism.

0:19.5

First of all, tell me, is there some society you know that doesn't run on greed?

0:23.9

And most importantly, what isn't?

0:25.9

We ought to do better by the people that get left behind.

0:28.8

I don't think we shouldn't kill the capital system in the process.

0:32.2

If you want a story that combines housing, politics, Wall Street hedge funds, and hundreds of billions of dollars.

0:39.3

You just need to look at two institutions you might not think about much anymore.

0:43.3

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

0:45.3

And yet the fate of this government-sponsor enterprises or GSCs

0:50.3

is at the heart of the American housing market, which itself is at the heart of the American

0:55.5

economy. Jenny May was founded during the Great Depression. The idea was that you can make

0:59.9

mortgages more widely available by buying loans from banks. Because Fannie bought the loans,

1:04.2

that enabled the banks to make more loans, thereby keeping mortgages available. Freddie

1:08.1

Matt came along in 1970 to provide competition and help increase liquidity

1:12.4

even more. Over time, this evolved into a system where the companies then packaged up these

1:17.3

loans and sold them to investors. The existence of the so-called GSEs government-sponsored enterprises

1:23.1

is why America and I think Denmark are the only countries where people can get 30-year fixed-rate mortgages.

1:29.3

And while many people may not have heard of Fannie and Freddie, people often think Fannie made a candy

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