Will Privatizing The Mortgage Giants Solve The Housing Crisis?
Capitalisn't
University of Chicago Podcast Network
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🗓️ 4 September 2025
⏱️ 45 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Bethany McLean. |
| 0:03.4 | Did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism and whether greed's a good idea? |
| 0:08.6 | And I'm Luigi Zengales. |
| 0:10.0 | We have socialism for the very rich, rugged individualism for the poor. |
| 0:15.5 | And this is Capital Isn't, a podcast about what is working in capitalism. |
| 0:19.5 | First of all, tell me, is there some society you know that doesn't run on greed? |
| 0:23.9 | And most importantly, what isn't? |
| 0:25.9 | We ought to do better by the people that get left behind. |
| 0:28.8 | I don't think we shouldn't kill the capital system in the process. |
| 0:32.2 | If you want a story that combines housing, politics, Wall Street hedge funds, and hundreds of billions of dollars. |
| 0:39.3 | You just need to look at two institutions you might not think about much anymore. |
| 0:43.3 | Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. |
| 0:45.3 | And yet the fate of this government-sponsor enterprises or GSCs |
| 0:50.3 | is at the heart of the American housing market, which itself is at the heart of the American |
| 0:55.5 | economy. Jenny May was founded during the Great Depression. The idea was that you can make |
| 0:59.9 | mortgages more widely available by buying loans from banks. Because Fannie bought the loans, |
| 1:04.2 | that enabled the banks to make more loans, thereby keeping mortgages available. Freddie |
| 1:08.1 | Matt came along in 1970 to provide competition and help increase liquidity |
| 1:12.4 | even more. Over time, this evolved into a system where the companies then packaged up these |
| 1:17.3 | loans and sold them to investors. The existence of the so-called GSEs government-sponsored enterprises |
| 1:23.1 | is why America and I think Denmark are the only countries where people can get 30-year fixed-rate mortgages. |
| 1:29.3 | And while many people may not have heard of Fannie and Freddie, people often think Fannie made a candy |
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