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On the line with us is David Pepper, the lawyer, writer, political activist, former chair of the

Ohio Democratic Party, former elected official adjunct professor at the University of Cincinnati

College of Law. He has a spectacular, sub-stack newsletter that if you have not subscribed to,

you must. It's free, it's extraordinary. David Pepper, spelled just like it sounds,

DAVID, p-e-p-p-e-r.substac.com is the website, and also David Pepper on Twitter is the handler.

David, welcome to the program. I've been following your work for a long, long time, and in fact,

I believe you've been on the program before, haven't you? Yeah, I sure have.

There you go. Okay, thank you. At any time, by the way, I don't say this lightly, and I don't say

it often, but anytime you've got something that you think is worth sharing with a larger audience

or with our audience, anyway, feel free to reach out to Sean and me and love to have you on more

frequently. You live in Ohio, and you've done just a spectacular job covering the whole

debacle around the Ohio, you know, the ballot measure number one or issue one or whatever was

called the abortion thing. And I understand that the legislators in your state are talking about

basically rolling this back, spitting in the face of their voters. And I just, I'm just

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