I'm Ed Vasey and we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day from Kirstarmer's trip to China

to whether AI is left wing. Of course it is. It's a conspiracy. Joining me now, two trusted and

entirely unbiased sources of news. The Times' former diplomatic editor, Michael Binion. Welcome to the show.

Thanks, Ed. And the Times columnist Cindy, you. Morning. Morning, Cindy. Michael, you must be a cruiser.

No, actually. I've never been on one. I was invited to be one of the hosts who gives lectures.

And then they said, well, we don't know what you know about. You know about lots of things, but you don't know about anything in particular. So that profitable enterprise didn't appear. No, I've not been on a cruise. I've been on ships quite a lot. I mean, I've gone to Sintalina six times on a regular ship. Why didn't you fly there? Because there wasn't an airport when I first did it. It had five days on a ship from South Africa. But that was fun. It was like being on a cruise. Even played cricket on board the ship. You know, I think what on earth is this all about? Sydney, you haven't managed to snaff all the Cheltenham Literature Festival Times cruise.

That's the one I really want to get on. God, I don't even know that existed. They don't give us any of this good stuff, do they? I think it crosses the Atlantic. Oh, wow. Six days with Times journalists. Can you imagine anything more? That's probably why they didn't tell us a lot to Ed. Let's talk about China. Matt Kier-Starma is on the third day of his trip to China.

He's now in Shanghai, continuing his attempts at building as well to Ed. Let's talk about China. Kirstama is on the third day of his trip to China.

He's now in Shanghai continuing his attempts at building a more sophisticated relationship

with President Xi.

He's been pretty positive about how it's all gone so far, but somebody else has got a bit

of a downer.

Donald Trump has warned the Prime Minister not to get ahead of himself.

Well, it's very dangerous for them to do that, and it's even more dangerous, I think,

for Canada to get into business with China.

Canada's not doing well.

They're doing very poorly, and you can't look at China as the answer.

I know China very well.

I know President, she's a friend of mine. I know I'm very well, but that's I know China very well I know President she's a friend of mine

and know I'm very well but that's a that's a big hurdle to go over well

trench analysis there from Donald Trump about relationships with China

Cindy you write very regularly about China in your columns on the Times.

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