One thing I find interesting is how many entrepreneurs are very interested in these ayahuasca

trips. And it seems like it could potentially be counterproductive in terms of your success

is driven largely by ego in terms of, I have a new arbitrary goal of this many dollars or

this much, I don't know, views or subscribers or whatever

it is, if I have a company or some like people who depend on me and I'm literally driving

everything forward through my pursuit of perhaps what somebody who's enlightened might see as

arbitrary, meaningless goals.

No one's enlightened, Derek.

Okay, but yeah.

How is it beneficial for somebody like that,

like in terms of I could see them achieving a...

Somebody who reaches Satori, you could say.

Because Sotori is seen as like a brief glimpse.

So when you truly reach a Sotori state,

you realize just via how temporary it was.

And again, like I said earlier, how to come out of it, you're back to your personality.

You realize that it's just a glimpse.

The only way to be truly what they consider enlightened is to be dead.

So unless you're dead, you're not fucking enlightened.

Right.

So when you're saying once you become enlightened, I'm going to translate that into

once you have the experience of being one with everything.

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