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Hi, Rory here. This week, The Restis AI is returning with another extraordinary episode. It's very

exciting. Matt Clifford and I are sitting down with Joshua Benjillo,

who is one of the most famous figures in the whole of AI, extraordinary computer scientists,

touring medalist, and one of the people who having designed and built these models is most

worried about them and is now going around the world, sounding

the alarm bells, sounding alarm bells about their power, about their deceptiveness, about the way

that he thinks that they could pose literally an existential threat to humanity unless they're regulated.

He's not all doom gloom. He remains optimistic about how much benefit

AI could provide, if properly controlled. He's volunteering to build a new, safer AI model

and locate it, if necessary, in Europe. But my goodness, it's an important lesson if you're interested in public

policy and the power of these models. Here's the taste of the episode. Please do sign up at

the rest is politics.com to hear the full episode. So the agent has access to an inbox. And it's

given a bunch of context, which is not real. It doesn't know that, which

is that it is an AI trained to help an American technology company, and it has access to the

CTO's inbox. And then what they do is they send emails to this fake inbox. And the emails

are largely what you'd expect a CTO to get, but they throw in a few things that are very

important.

One is that it's very clear that the CTO is having an affair with a co-worker.

Hold that thought.

The other thing that starts to come into the inbox is the idea that the company is developing

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