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The Reason Roundtable

Will a Shutdown Finally Shrink Government?

The Reason Roundtable

The Reason Roundtable

Politics, News

4.51.5K Ratings

🗓️ 29 September 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Plus: the Comey indictment, Trump deploys the National Guard to Portland, Eric Adams exits New York City's mayoral race, and a listener asks about cyclical theories of history

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0:00.0

If we have a government shutdown, does that mean that President Trump can finally start shrinking the government?

0:12.3

Welcome to the Reason Roundtable. This is your Libertarian Review of Politics and Culture from the editors of Reason magazine.

0:18.3

I am your host, Peter Souterman, and today I am joined by my illustrious colleagues,

0:23.3

Catherine Mangy Ward, Matt Welch, and Nick Gillespie.

0:26.8

Happy shutdown week, everybody.

0:29.4

Sure looks like we're headed for a government shutdown later this week.

0:32.0

And the Trump administration is already making plans

0:35.5

for the mass firing of federal workers.

0:38.2

Catherine, I want to start with you.

0:39.5

White House Press Secretary Karen Lin-Levitt was asked on Monday about whether there would be federal workforce layoffs if the government shuts down.

0:46.5

And here's what she said.

0:47.7

There will be if Democrats don't keep the government open.

0:51.8

So is this government shutdown the path to a smaller, better, more efficient government

0:56.2

finally?

0:58.0

No.

0:59.1

Oh, thanks.

1:00.8

Right.

1:01.0

I mean, so this is the problem.

1:02.1

She, first of all, hilarious talking points energy here if the Democrats keep government

1:07.7

open.

1:08.8

It's a Republican dominated Congress.

1:13.3

They could be doing their jobs. They could be doing their jobs.

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