I don't even know when to begin to talk to you about his relationships with women.

I think it's another addiction like the alcohol and the drugs.

Certainly it's something that he's tried to live with and stop.

He talks about in his diaries though, but he doesn't take responsibility for it,

which drove me crazy.

He talks about it being the fault of the women.

Women were mugging him.

That was his term for seduction.

It's an addiction like the heroin and like the, you know, the other drugs that he was doing.

I'm Joanna Coles.

This is the Daily Beast podcast, and I could not put down the book that was written by our next guest, Isabel Vincent.

The book is RFK Jr., The Fall and Rise, and it's based on his own diaries, which his late wife, Mary Richardson, took hostage during their divorce battle.

And, well, it offers a really nuanced, complicated picture of a man who has, against perhaps,

his own expectations become much more important in all our lives. He's in charge

of the health of all Americans, which is why the book is important and it's compelling and, well,

let's get into it with Isabel Vincent. But before we do, quick request that you smash the subscription button on your,

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So, Isabel, I couldn't be more excited to talk to you on your publication day.

Thank you very much for coming in. I couldn't put more excited to talk to you on your publication day. Thank you very much for coming in.

I couldn't put this book down.

I couldn't stop reading it.

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