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never-ending, apparently story of the Jeffrey Epstein files. Here to discuss it is my

bulwark colleague and right-wing media whisperer Will Summer. It's a classic Howard Lutnik

foot in the mouth moment.

I'm happy to be here. Yeah, we get, we get these so often, right? Um, it's a, it's a good day. So, so let's start with the kind of preexisting line here, right? Um, the White House has been, uh, saying for a while, um, that, that as far as they know, according to all the evidence the Justice Department has,

Jeffrey Epstein was not actually like... That as far as they know, according to all the evidence the Justice Department has,

Jeffrey Epstein was not actually involving other high-profile, powerful people in his abuse of underage girls that was going on for years and for which he ultimately went to prison and ultimately apparently killed himself. This is what FBI director Cash Patel had to say about that last month before the Senate

Judiciary Committee.

There is no credible information.

None.

If there were, I would bring the case yesterday.

Now, I think we have all been interested to see that that's the line the White House is rolling with, right? Um, it's been interesting to see them all say, nothing to see here, nothing to see here, nothing to see here. Obviously, a lot of Epstein's victims have accused other, uh, prominent people of participating in their abuse along with Jeffrey Epstein. Um, there are a lot of outstanding questions about how he got his money and, and, you know, why he had,

why he was rubbing shoulders with all these rich and powerful people. Among those people,

among the people who apparently are not particularly satisfied with the White House's version

of events here is the Commerce Secretary of the United States, Howard Howard Lutnik, who showed up on a podcast

yesterday, New York Post podcast. By the way, New York Post, please stop horning in on our

territory with these video podcasts. We do not go to New York and print off, you know,

broadsheet tabloids and put them around town. You do your thing, We'll do our thing. The Commerce Secretary was on this

podcast and he was asked about his own prior connection to Jeffrey Epstein. I actually, Will, I did

not know that these guys had such an interesting personal history. Why don't we start there?

What is it? What's the Howard Lettnnik experience when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein?

Like so many in the Trump administration, Howard Lutnik had a relationship, albeit perhaps a distant

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