Today on the Playbook podcast, it's 24 hours on, but still all anyone in Washington is talking about is that vanity fair piece on Susie Wiles will talk you through it.

The House Judiciary Committee is preparing to interview Jack Smith today, the guy who wanted to prosecute Donald Trump.

And there's a big vote on healthcare happening in the House as well today.

And tonight, Donald Trump will address the nation in his final big address of 2025.

Hello, I'm Jack Blanchard.

And I'm Dasha Burns. It is Wednesday, December 17th.

How are you doing, Dasha? Good to see you.

Good to see you.

Every so often, a piece of journalism comes along, which really just blows up D.C., right?

Dare I say, Dasha, your interview with Donald Trump last week was one such piece of journalism was all anyone was talking about for the whole. It's true. Come on, man. Okay, okay. We had Zelensky reacted to it. We had the Pope reacted to your interview. So that definitely hits that bar for me. But we had another one yesterday morning. I'm sure everyone listened to this is already aware and probably has read the Vanity Fair interview and profile

with the White House Chief of Staff, Susie Wiles. It went off within half an hour. Like how many of

your text chats are like all about that? People sharing screenshots. People want to talk about it all day.

Oh yeah. It was endless. And in every DM you could possibly have was lit up with this. There are loads of reasons

why that is the case. But chief among them is that White House Chiefs of Staff are not normally

very candid people when they're talking to the press, right? Their whole job is to be on message

and support their principal and deliver the message. That's what they're there for. They're

behind the scenes. People, they don't want to be the story. And this one in particular is as behind the scenes

as it gets. I mean, Susie is known for just how much she likes to fade into the background. In fact,

she talked about this in this piece. She likes to sit in the chair where she gets hit by the boom mics

because she doesn't really want to be in the shot.

She's so media shy, camera shy.

She doesn't give a lot of interviews.

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