The narrative in the New York Times did not match reality.

Because that brand is so strong and so many people really put a lot of faith in store

and what they have to say.

But when you go back and look forensically at their coverage on the most important topics

of the last century, uncover some shocking stuff, which is what I found in the book.

Their Berlin Bureau Chief in the lead-up to World War II was a Nazi.

Cuba, where they resurrected Fidel Castro from irrelevance and made them an international hero.

So Google and Wikipedia have this symbiosis.

What it becomes is kind of a knowledge cartel.

You can't break it. It's a monopoly. It's Google's monopoly. It's Wikipedia's monopoly,

which is a monopoly on information online. Why should anyone care about Wikipedia?

They changed the mission of Wikipedia from building an online encyclopedia that's reliable,

to building a social movement, social justice movement, powered by

DEI, those are their terms. They wanted to create what they called global knowledge infrastructure.

In 2016-17, this is right after Hillary Clinton declares a fake news epidemic in front of Congress.

So you're getting the information on chat GPT. As a reference, it'll just pull from an article tell you, this is what Wikipedia says about it. But it's also, because it's trained on the data, the AI is getting shaped by Wikimedia's worldview. The bots, and like you said, that they're undetectable. The impact is absolutely massive. Someone's not paying for this for no reason. They're doing it because they're advancing an unseen agenda, and we don't know what that is.

When you say they, when you're talking about Wikipedia, who do you mean by they?

All right, I'm Dave Rubin, and I'm in the lower chair today, which means I have a guest

live in studio. Joining me is the chief investigative officer of NPOV, my friend Ashley Rinsberg.

Ashley, nice to see you again.

Thank you, Dave.

Have we done this in person?

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