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You're listening to the Tudor's Dynasty podcast with Rebecca Larson.

Of all of Henry the 8th's queens, I believe Jane Seymour is the one that we know the least about.

While her tenure as queen was longer than the six months that Anne of Cleaves had,

Anne also outlived her by two decades. Our guest today is Dr. Elizabeth Norton, who wrote a biography

of Jane called Jane Seymour, Henry VIII's True Love. Now this was about a decade ago, and Elizabeth has been continuing

her research ever since. Elizabeth, welcome back. Hello, thank you for inviting me on again, Rebecca.

My seasons of queens was intended to be all non-tudor queens, but you enticed me to discuss Jane further by telling me that maybe

there's some new discoveries that we have to learn about. My first question is, what made you

stick with Jane after all this time? Jane really gets a bad press. And if you're listening to

this now, you may well think, you know,

I don't like Jane or she's boring or she's, you know, the least interesting of Henry's Wies.

Because that comes up time and again with Jane. And it's really unfair. She is quite a shadowy figure.

I'm working on trying to bring her out of the shadows more,

and I've continued to work with her. But I would absolutely say there is more to Jane than,

I think, our kind of preconceptions about her allow. She was a woman who attracted Henry

8th, I mean, you know, pulled him away from Amber Lynn, I mean, which

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