This is exactly right.

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along with references to sexual assault.

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What we find in true crime often is when people call killers monsters is this idea that if we can

distance killers from ourselves, from our own human urges,

then we don't have to deal with the reasons that these people actually manifest.

Things like no access to health care, poor housing, poor education, these kind of things that society is directly responsible for.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a non-fiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas. I'm also the host of the Historical True Crime Podcast, Tenfold More Wicked on Exactly Right.

I've traveled around the world interviewing people for the show.

I've interviewed some people in person and some from my home studio over Zoom.

And they are all excellent writers.

They've had so many great true crime stories,

and now we want to tell you those stories

with details that have never been published.

Tenfold More Wicked Presents Wicked Words is about the choices that writers make, good and bad.

It's a deep dive into the stories, behind the stories.

Hannah McGuire and Sir Rutie Bala are the hosts of the True Crime Podcast Red-handed.

On the show, they break down cases that fascinate all of us, and then they wrote a book based on their extensive research into the

motives behind some of the most famous murderers in history. First, tell me a

little bit about Red-handed the podcast and and then we'll go into the book,

and then let's talk about these stories.

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