This is exactly right.

This story contains adult content and language along with references to sexual assault.

Listener discretion is advised. This book is about grief. It's about loss and it's about what parents we consider good parents and

which parents we give chances to.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson,

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a non-fiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the host of the historical True Crime Podcast, Tenfold More Wicked, and the co-host of the podcast Buried Bones on

exactly right. I've traveled around the world interviewing people for the show and

they are all excellent writers. They've had so many great true crime stories and now we want to tell you

those stories with details that have never been published.

Tenfold War Wicked presents wicked words is about the choices that writers make good and bad.

It's a deep dive into the stories behind the stories.

Most of you have probably heard the story of the Hart family, the couple that drove a car off a cliff with all of their adopted children inside.

Our guest, Roxanna Asgarian, unfolds the story with details that we've never heard before, including an investigation

into the child welfare system. I'll warn you that much of this is difficult to hear.

Well, why don't we start with the story of the birth families,

how these kids, these six kids ended up with these two women,

and how potentially these two women ended up in the state they were in when they made this terrible decision.

So let's start with the families.

So there's two birth families.

The first birth family that I encountered were the Davis is and that's the birth family of

Devante, Jeremiah, and Sierra and so they were actually the second group of kids that

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