This is exactly right.

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The thing that's hard to understand,

we try to think about the rationale for poisoners and try to think about what would motivate them.

I think a lot of the time we're just unable to do that because there isn't a rationale.

We're trying to think about a rational explanation for something that just isn't working.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a non-fiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the host of the historical True Crime podcast, Tenfold More Wicked, as well as the

co-host of the new show, Buried Bones, both on exactly right.

I've traveled around the world interviewing people for the show.

I've interviewed some people in person and some from my home studio over Zoom, and they are all excellent writers.

They've had so many great true crime stories and now we want to tell you those stories

with details that have never been published.

Tenfold More Wicked presents wicked words. with details that have never been published.

Tenfold More Wicked Presents Wicked Words

is about the choices that writers make good and bad.

It's a deep dive into the stories behind the stories.

Dr. Neil Bradbury is a professor of physiology and biophysics at the Chicago Medical School

and he's written this incredible book called A Taste for Poison.

This is my second chat with a poison expert.

I'm so interested in the idea of a killer weaponizing poison

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