This is exactly right.

This story contains adult content and language along with references to sexual assault.

Listener discretion is advised. There's all these times where Driscoll almost gets there. He says,

Hey, I think I should call my friend Charlie.

It's my friend, he's a lawyer.

And Holland says, oh, well, you could if you want to.

I'm not here to stop you, but I don't think Charlie's going to help you.

I think we're going to help you. I remember't think Charlie's going to help you I remember almost

like grabbing my hair just being like Larry what are you doing call Charlie I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a non-fiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the host of the Historical True Crime Podcast, Tenfold More Wicked, and the co-host of the

podcast Buried Bones on exactly right.

I've traveled around the world interviewing people for the show, and they are all excellent writers. They've had so many

great true crime stories and now we want to tell you those stories with details

that have never been published. Tenfold War Wicked Presents Wicked Words is about the choices

that writers make good and bad. It's a deep dive into the stories behind the

stories. The Marshall Project is a fantastic nonprofit news organization and

my friend Maurice Shimah is one of its best reporters he hosts a podcast called Smokescreen, Just Say You're Sorry.

It tells the story of a brutal murder of a woman who was disparaged by the police to

secure a suspect.

And that's just the beginning of the questionable techniques

used by the investigators as well as the Texas Rangers.

So let's first talk about the construction of this piece because to say it's an

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