This is exactly right.

This story contains adult content and language along with references to sexual assault.

Listener discretion is advised.

Warren is pretty interesting, as horrible as he is.

When you're watching history unfold, you know, when you're sitting in a courtroom watching somebody,

this was history in the making. This was a crazy chapter in Texas history.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a non-fiction author and journalism professor in Austin,

Texas.

I'm also the host of the Historical True Crime Podcast, Tenfold More Wicked on Exactly Right.

I've traveled around the world interviewing people for the show.

I've interviewed some people in person and some from my home studio over Zoom, and they are all excellent writers.

They've had so many great true crime stories and now we want to tell you those stories

with details that have never been published.

Wicked Words is about the choices that were with details that have never been published.

Wicked Words is about the choices that writers make good and bad.

It's a deep dive into the stories, behind the stories.

My name is Katie Vine, and I'm a staff writer at Texas Monthly. Katie Vine reported on a religious sect that broke away from the Mormon Church called

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or

FLDS. I wrote two stories about the FLDS during the short tumultuous time

that they were in Texas, one that asked if the kids were safe there and another that

covered the Warren Jeff's trial.

I did pitch this story myself.

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