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I'm going to drum those yellow nails on the table and he was like you got me okay you got me what do you

want to know do you want to know about the first one? I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a non-fiction author and journalism professor in Austin,

Texas. I'm also the host of the Historical True Crime Podcast, Tenfold More Wicked, and the co-host of the

podcast Buried Bones on exactly right.

I've traveled around the world interviewing people for the show, and they are all excellent writers.

They've had so many great true crime stories and now we want to tell you those

stories with details that have never been published. Tenfold War Wicked Presents Wicked Words

is about the choices that writers make good and bad.

It's a deep dive into the stories behind the stories.

What would it be like to interview a serial killer?

New York Times best-selling author Jillian Lauren knows.

Her haunting Samuel Little is detailed in her book,

Behold the Monster.

It's an amazing story and in our chat,

Jillian explains how she convinced Little

to tell her where one unknown victim was buried.

I read an article that said that Samuel Little has been underreported because he's black.

Do you think that that's right?

Do you think that this is some sort of racism within how we report on serial killers

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