This is

is exactly right.

This story contains adult content and language.

listener discretion is advised. When you're a little kid, you have these really, actually fond memories of this person that you later find out wasn't just dangerous but was actually a serial killer.

It makes you really have the need to kind of deconstruct those memories.

And even there were moments where I was like, what could possibly be wrong with me that I didn't

know who he was, a little kid.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a non-fiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the host of the Historical True Crime Podcast, Tenfold More Wicked, and the co-host of the

podcast Buried Bones on Exactly Right. I've traveled around the world

interviewing people for the show and they are all excellent writers. They've

had so many great true crime stories and now we want to tell you those stories with

details that have never been published. Tenfold War Wicked presents,

wicked words is about the choices that writers make good and bad. It's a deep dive into the stories behind the stories.

Most of us have heard the story of Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, but this is a new version of that story. There was a family who lived next

store to him for decades, a family that had no idea he was secretly building bombs in his cabin.

Jamie Garing is the author of the book Mad Man in the Woods.

She tells me about what it was like to live right next door to the Unabomber.

So let's start with really the beginning. So Ted and it's his brother right David who have the land? Yes. So they get the land from your grandfather in 1971.

And you were born shortly thereafter, I'm assuming?

Yes, I was born in 1980.

Okay.

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