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Henry Wallace is a good example

because when you have a serial killer you've got multiple victims and you don't want to blur them all together.

So I would have Henry talk about them and draw and the other good thing about a drawing is you can then use that in a kind of third

distant way to say, gee now what was going on over here? What is this all about? And you can use it to get more of the detail so you're not just

sitting there talking with them.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a non-fiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the host of the historical True Crime Podcast, Tenfold More Wicked, as well as the co-host of the new show, Buried Bones, both on exactly right.

I've traveled around the world interviewing people for the show.

I've interviewed some people in person and some from my home studio over Zoom.

And they are all excellent writers.

They've had so many great true crime stories.

And now we want to tell you those stories

with details that have never been published.

Tenfold More Wicked Presents, Wicked Words, is about the choices that writers make good and bad.

It's a deep dive into the stories behind the stories. Anne Burgess is a legend in the history of crime and forensics in America.

She's the nurse who helped shaped the FBI's behavioral science unit. Now she's a researcher and a

professor. Dr. Burgess and her co-writer Stephen Constantine wrote a book

called A Killer by Design, Murderers, Mine Hunters, and my quest to decipher the criminal mind.

And in that book, they tried to answer the question, what drives someone to kill and

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