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It's wild to think that, yeah, someone's great-grandparents got away with murder. They still got to be members of the Phoenix Country Club and still got to live the life of high society.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a non-fiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the host of the Historical True Crime Podcast,

Tenfold More Wicked on Exactly Right.

I've traveled around the world interviewing people for the show.

I've interviewed some people in person and some from my home studio over Zoom.

And they are all excellent writers.

They've had so many great true crime stories, and now we want to tell you those stories with details

that have never been published.

Tenfold More Wicked Presents, Wicked Words, is about the choices that

writers make, good and bad. It's a deep dive into the stories, behind the stories. My name is Dawson Ferno and I'm here in Phoenix, Arizona and I'm a freelance writer.

My day job is in marketing.

I used to be a magazine editor back in the day of one of these things called print magazines.

They would actually print them up and mail them to you, but now I just focus strictly on

freelance and mostly on historical and true crime. And mostly in Phoenix, right?

or in at least to Arizona.

Yeah, absolutely, Arizona.

I only focus on historic crime after the DEA showed up in my door

when I wrote about designer drug, producer here in Phoenix, and the D. E. A.

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