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How do their families cope with that? How did they somehow survive? How did they work through that trauma, the grief?

It's one thing to lose a relative to an illness or sickness.

It's another to lose a relative to one of the biggest crimes

frees in the nation's history at the time.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a non-fiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the host of the Historical True Crime Podcast, Ten Tenfold More Wicked and the co-host of the

podcast Buried Bones on exactly right.

I've traveled around the world interviewing people for the show and they are all excellent writers.

They've had so many great true crime stories and now we want to tell you those stories with

details that have never been published.

Tenfold War Wicked presents wicked Words is about the choices that

writers make good and bad. It's a deep dive into the stories behind the stories.

Most of us know the story of serial killer John Wayne Gacy.

I frankly don't want to know more about Gacy.

But I do want to hear about his victims.

So I had a great discussion with author David Nelson, who focuses on the

boys who were Gacy's victims in his book, Boys Enter the House, the victims of

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