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It just doesn't seem like a happy house.

I think that that's the assumption that unmarried daughters mostly lived in the same family home and that I think that that became an incredibly tense place for the household that there's something about it that people understand to be not working.

I mean, partly of course, Lizzie Borden is notoriously frank and tells people that she thinks

her stepmother's a me good for nothing in person.

And you know tells the sort of people that she shouldn't be talking to like that,

like the dressmaker, for example,

not just a close friend.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a non-fiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the host of the Historical True Crime Podcast, Tenfold More Wicked on Exactly Right.

I've traveled around the world interviewing people for

the show. I've interviewed some people in person and some from my home studio over

Zoom and they are all excellent writers. They've had so many great true crime stories and now we want to

tell you those stories with details that have never been published.

Tenfold More Wicked Presents Wicked Words is about the choices that writers make good and bad.

It's a deep dive into the stories behind the stories.

My name is Kara Robertson.

I'm the author of The Trial of Lissie Board.

So I want to start with how does one tackle a story like Lizzie Borden's story that has been told it seems like many times. Was that a little daunting for you?

It was a struggle to look for a new angle to make sure that it was something that was worthwhile telling

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