This is exactly right.

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They were hurt by what happened as well,

and so there was an opportunity for them to heal and for me to try to begin to understand what happened to this man that I was beginning to perceive as a good doctor who had done this horrific crime.

I'm Kate Winkleer Dawson, a non-fiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the host of the Historical True Crime Podcast, Tenfold War Wicked, and the co-host of the

podcast Buried Bones on Exactly Right. I've traveled around the world

interviewing people for the show and they are all excellent writers. They've had

so many great true crime stories and now we want to tell you those stories with

details that have never been published. Tenfold War Wicked presents

wicked words is about the choices that writers make good and bad. It's a deep dive into the stories behind the stories.

When Dr. Benjamin Gilmer takes over a small clinic in North Carolina,

he's told that he is actually the second Dr.

Gilmer to practice there.

And the first Dr. Gilmer had murdered his own father in 2004.

The book, The Other Dr. Gilmer details the lives of both

Dr. Gilmer's and how their lives intersected. Take me back to the beginning. How did you even come across this story? What were your life circumstances?

This is a story that found me. I didn't look for it. It's a story just back to the very beginning that began with me starting as a fledgling doctor in my first job

Really just trying to find myself as a physician and then realizing that my predecessor had brutally killed his father.

And then I realized that we shared the same last name,

which was a crazy way to start.

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