Wicked For Good x Femslash with Leena Norms
Material Girls
Rehak Hannah
4.8 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 25 November 2025
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
In today's episode, we jumped right back on the Emerald City Express with third-time guest, Leena Norms (she/her). Leena joined us for our episode Wonka x Antisemitism and Censorship in January 2024 and then again in December 2024 for our episode Wicked x Paratexts. Now she's back to help us make sense of Wicked: For Good. Marcelle leads the episode beginning with a quick conversation about femslash, a subgenre of fan fiction which, broadly-speaking, focuses on romantic/sexual relationships between female fictional characters. Before jumping deeper into the history of femslash, Hannah, Marcelle and Leena discuss the essential question: how gay is this sequel? From there, Marcelle takes us into a conversation about subtext and representation. As always, the episode ends with a perfectly sound thesis and discussion of the movie, the media storm around the film, how Glinda is positioned as a hero, queerbaiting and revolutionary politics.
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Works Cited
“Femslash.” Ultimate Pop Culture Wiki. Fandom, Inc. 2025. https://ultimatepopculture.fandom.com/wiki/Femslash.
Hall, Margaret. 2025. “Wicked: For Good Is for the Gelphie Shippers.” Playbill. November 21, 2025. https://playbill.com/article/wicked-for-good-is-for-the-gelphie-shippers.
Russo, Julie Levin. 2014. “Textual Orientation: Queer Female Fandom Online.” The Routledge Companion to Media and Gender. Carter, Cynthia, Linda Steiner, and Lisa McLaughlin, eds. London: Routledge, Taylor & Francis Group. https://doi.org/10.4324/9780203066911.
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| 0:13.0 | I need a new mind |
| 0:17.0 | I need a new brain |
| 0:18.0 | I want to take a ride |
| 0:20.0 | on a mini train You can have it all Hello and welcome to Hello and welcome to material |
| 0:33.6 | a pop culture podcast that uses critical theory to understand the zeitgeist. |
| 0:38.7 | I'm Hannah McGregor. |
| 0:40.8 | And I'm Marcel Cosman. |
| 0:43.7 | And Hannah, this is a very special day. |
| 0:47.1 | A great day, maybe even a good day. |
| 0:51.2 | Listeners, we are talking about Wicked for Good. And to do that, we are thrilled to introduce you to our first, ever third time |
| 0:57.4 | guest. Third time guest. Here to prove that the third time's the charm when you're charming as |
| 1:04.3 | hell, you know her, you love her. Welcome back, Lena Norms. It's me. Thank goodness. |
| 1:12.6 | Yeah. |
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