Hi, this is Mark Kermode.

Thanks, I'm learning this Kermode on film podcast.

I am joined once again by Jack Howard. We are upstairs in the Sun Pub in London's Glittering West End to discuss. Hello, we're going to be discussing Wicked and Wicked for Good. All spoilers. We're going to go full spoilers on this. So if you haven't seen Wicked or Wicked for Good, don't watch or listen to this or do. I mean, I can't tell you what to do.

I am wearing

appropriately coloured, appropriately coloured cardigan. And I'm wearing a slightly glittery jumper.

Well, you're in dark colour, you're quite Alphabur. Yes. And I'm, this is, this feels quite glinda.

You are very glinda. Thank you so much. So I've seen the musical stage version of Wicked.

Oh!

And you haven't?

No, I haven't, no.

Okay, I've seen it multiple times.

I saw it before the film came out multiple times.

I didn't know that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I went into these films kind of aware of what I would like and what my expectations were.

And I don't know if you know this, but the kind of surrounding opinion around the second act of

wicked is that it's not as good as the first act of wicked.

You were aware of that before you saw the film?

I have a family member who's seen the state show and they they said, yeah, they said, firstly, the second act of Wicked is a lot shorter, and, and, and, and that there isn't, there's not, it's not got defined gravity in it, it's not got the bang as the general feeling is that it's, it's, it's the lesser half. And I think this is one of the issues with reviewing Wicked for Good as a standalone entity

rather than reviewing it as the second part of Wicked.

Because I think it works as the second part of Wicked,

but I think it doesn't work as a standalone entity because that's not what it is.

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