Ted Audio Collective. of researching stress, it's this. Never tell someone deep in the throes of it that it's

going to be fine. That response is not really helpful. Neither is you shouldn't be stressed or don't worry about it.

And I understand why people might say something like this.

We generally like to reassure people in times of crisis.

We want to let them know that we believe in them and that they're going

to be okay. But it's actually better to acknowledge someone's feelings and allow them

to process and be present with their emotions because sweeping them under the rug

never works out in the long run.

I'm Madupak Nola. This is Ted Business, a podcast from the Ted Audio Collective.

Our speaker today, Adam Wibru, is the director at BCG and he's also known as a depression truth teller.

His own experience with depression turned him into an advocate for those struggling

with mental illness in the workplace.

He's here to share how creating an organization

where people are allowed to be vulnerable about what they're going through

benefits everyone.

Then after the talk, I'll discuss the importance of advocating for change at an institutional level and what that might look like.

But first, a quick break.

Hi, I'm Debbie Millman and I host a podcast called Design Matters from the Ted Audio Collective. Every episode I have conversations with designers, writers, artists, and other luminaries of contemporary thought.

People like Roman Mars, Ih Wei, Ethan Hawk, and Ashley Ford.

We not only talk about their crafts, but how they design the arc of their lives, what they've

learned, what obstacles they've overcome and how they've done it,

and how they see the world.

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