Why You Should Care About Carry Trades
Money For the Rest of Us
J. David Stein
4.5 • 1.4K Ratings
🗓️ 15 January 2020
⏱️ 32 minutes
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Summary
How investors make money with carry trades, how central banks encourage such trades, and what are the dangers to financial markets and the economy when carry trades get too big.
Topics covered include:
- What are the attributes and examples of carry trades.
- Why do carry trades exist even though investors can suffer massive losses.
- What was Volmageddeon and Francogeddan.
- How central banks are the largest carry traders and their actions encourage even more carry trades.
- Why carry trades are deflationary and lead to systemic risk.
- What should individual investors do about carry trades and how to take advantage of carry crashes.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Money for the rest of us. This is a personal finance show on money, how it works, how to invest it, and how to live without worrying about it. |
| 0:12.0 | I'm your host David Stein today's episode 283. It's |
| 0:16.1 | titled Why You Should Care About Carry. I recently finished a book whose authors had the same editor at McGraw-Hill that I had |
| 0:28.4 | from my book. So my editor sent it to me. I read it. Very intriguing. It's titled The Rise of Carry, the |
| 0:36.6 | dangerous consequences of volatility suppression and the new financial order of |
| 0:41.9 | decaying growth and recurring crisis. |
| 0:44.8 | It's by Tim Lee, who runs an economics consultancy. |
| 0:49.2 | Jamie Lee, who works for Investment Manager Jeremy Grantham and Kevin Coldiron, who's a former |
| 0:54.7 | hedge fund manager who teaches a financial engineering class at UC Berkeley. |
| 0:59.7 | Here's their definition of carry. |
| 1:02.4 | Carry trades make money when nothing happens. The |
| 1:06.8 | carry trader receives a stream of income or profits but is exposed to the risk of a sudden loss when a particular event occurs |
| 1:18.0 | or the underlying acid value changes significantly. The carry is really that income stream or the |
| 1:26.9 | profits that the trader earns over the life of the transaction. Carry is an example of a factor, a broad persistent driver of return. |
| 1:38.0 | It's a factor because the investor is receiving compensation, the income stream, for bearing certain |
| 1:46.4 | financial risk. In this case, the risk of incurring large losses when a specific financial event occurs. |
| 1:55.0 | In other words, it's compensation for suffering through bad times. |
| 2:00.0 | Now it's somewhat similar to an insurance company that receives premium income and then pays |
| 2:06.8 | out if certain events occur, such as a home fire. |
| 2:12.1 | There are four characteristics of Carrie that distinguish them from |
| 2:16.0 | traditional insurance. Leverage, a sawtooth return pattern, fluctuating liquidity, and short exposure to volatility. |
| 2:27.0 | We'll go into detail on each of those because they'll help us understand what |
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