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The Jefferson Fisher Podcast

Why You Overthink Every Conversation After It Ends ft. Shadé Zahrai

The Jefferson Fisher Podcast

Civility Media

Self-improvement, Relationships, Society & Culture, Education

4.98.9K Ratings

🗓️ 28 April 2026

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

There’s a voice in your head—and it’s shaping more of your life than you realize. In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Shadé Zahrai to break down the real science behind self-doubt, where it comes from, and why it shows up strongest after your conversations—not before them. We walk through the four hidden “voices” driving your inner critic and how to separate from them so they stop running the show. If you’ve ever replayed a conversation in your head or felt like you’re not enough, this episode gives you the tools to change that. Buy her book Big Trust: Rewire Self-Doubt, Find Your Confidence, and Fuel Success: https://www.shadezahrai.com/bigtrust  Take Shadé’s Doubt Profile Quiz: https://www.shadezahrai.com/doubtprofile  Join me on Supercast for ad-free episodes, bonus content, and AMAs: https://jefferson.supercast.com/ Order The Next Conversation Workbook: https://www.jeffersonfisher.com/workbook Thank you to our sponsors: Cozy Earth. Upgrade Your Every Day. Get 20% off at cozyearth.com/jefferson or use code JEFFERSON at check out. ZocDoc. https://zocdoc.com/jefferson to find and instantly book a doctor you love today. Dose. Save 35% on your first month of subscription by going to dosedaily.co/JEFFERSON or entering JEFFERSON at checkout. BetterHelp. Click https://betterhelp.com/jeffersonfisher for a discount on your first month of therapy. Order my book, The Next Conversation, or listen to the full audiobook today. Like what you hear? Don’t forget to subscribe and leave a 5-star review! Suggest a topic or ask a question for me to answer on the show!  Want a FREE communication tip each week? Click here to join my newsletter.  Join My School of Communication Watch my podcast on YouTube  Follow me on Instagram  Follow me on TikTok Follow me on LinkedIn Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Are you somebody who's ever struggled with self-doubt?

0:02.0

I know I have.

0:03.0

Today I am talking with the one and only Dr. Shadeh Zurai, who's probably one of the loveliest humans you'll ever get to hear. Her book is titled Big Trust. Rewire self-doubt, find your confidence, and fuel success. This is a book you are going to want to get. You'll find the links down in the show notes. Today we are talking all about self-doubt.

0:21.6

The elements of it, what happens, and how to fix it, how to attack it, and how to live with it.

0:27.4

It's an episode you're going to love. I hope you enjoy the conversation. I want to go back to

0:32.1

when we talk about what a lot of people listening don't understand what happens from the, whatever we call

0:41.2

that space, creator, influencer, author, speaker, you, we find some vein that we want to

0:50.5

plug into and go, I like this, I like talking about this kind of stuff.

1:00.5

And now we're at a place where you have a book, you do the podcast, you do the conversations,

1:07.0

and especially after shows, podcast shows, or even speaking, right after it,

1:16.9

there's this moment where, at least for me, I turn into the biggest critic of myself.

1:25.8

And so I know you're going to have a lot on this. What is the science behind being your own worst critic.

1:30.3

Where do we start? There's actually so much we could explore here.

1:32.3

I think we need to acknowledge that any kind of doubt that we have,

1:36.3

any kind of criticism that we experience,

1:38.3

it's entirely natural, it's entirely human.

1:41.3

It's a function of the brain that is wired to try and keep us safe and protect us. But how that manifests in our modern day world is that we become hypercritical and we attack ourselves and we become our own worst enemy. And so those people who are able to still experience that, but then detach from that voice and still take action anyway,

2:02.0

they're the ones who succeed. It's actually super fascinating. So I spent the last five years

2:05.8

studying self-doubt, why we doubt ourselves, why we get self-critical.

2:10.3

You got a PhD? Oh, yes, exactly. One of the hardest things I've ever done. A doctor now.

2:14.3

Yes. Organizational behavior? Exactly. So it's like the applied psychology

2:18.7

within organizations and how it affects us at work. That's incredible. You know, yeah, job performance,

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