This is LBC from Global, leading Britain's conversation with James O'Brien.

Hello, it's three minutes after ten, and you're listening to James O'Brien on LBC, where we will shortly get stuck into the second lockdown.

Conversation, as opposed perhaps to controversy, because I want to try to find a way to examine it with

clarity, a proper understanding, and possibly an attempt to resist the urge, which we all feel, to adopt a position,

and how many of us are really qualified, to adopt a position and then furiously defended.

I realized, preparing for today's program, do I keep getting the clockwise quote wrong?

I know I got it wrong yesterday. I actually paused today before sharing it with you again.

I thought I got it right, but I could be wrong.

We shall find out.

I generally trust, I don't want to say experts, because that sounds like I'm insulting

you if you disagree with me.

But I was trying to think of an example that would slightly undermine my position.

And I think the best examples are probably thalidomide and other drugs.

The idea that you did what you thought was right for the right reasons and it was wrong.

Happens so rarely in our lives that I don't know that it disproves

the wisdom of generally trusting experts, but I thought it would be important to try to find

something before we start that conversation where you can do what you think is right for all

the right reasons and end up doing something horribly, horribly wrong.

And I'll just get that out there now so I don't forget. I want to take a moment obviously to

reflect upon events in Vienna overnight. When I was trying in my clumsy way to cover the

reporting to the Labour Party's problems with anti-Semitism

by the Equality and Human Rights Commission last week.

...