I just kept thinking achieving more would make me feel better.

It would take these dark feelings away and this feeling that still lives in the pit of my stomach.

I will get rid of this anxiety because I will have achieved this.

And yet that's kind of where depression arises when you think that your brain is going to change.

You go back to that baseline after that huge dopamine hit and that achievement and you're left

with the same brain that you've always had without doing the work.

He is a five-time NBA All-Star, an Olympic gold medalist, 2016 NBA champion, and one of the

most important voices in the mental health conversation.

Please welcome Kevin Love. You spent nine years not speaking to both

your mom and dad. A lot of times I say less friends, less bullshit. And in the case, it happened to be my

family. But on the other side of that, it was so many great moments in me finding myself and being

comfortable in my own skin. What do you think is at the root that you need to really heal? I think it's... I'm so glad that you're here. I've been trying to have you on for a while, but you're a busy guy, always, you know, playing in season. But we have a number of things in common. One, we're both athletes. Two, you know, you lived a long time in Ohio. You won a championship in Ohio.

Eight and a half years. I'm from Ohio. Thank you for your service of winning, bringing a championship to Ohio. We're both, have two daughters. Yes. And we both lost our fathers recently. Yeah. And we've both been through our own healing journeys and talking about

what it means to be a man and deal with a lot of psychological and emotional wounds

that we don't know how to navigate or we didn't know how to navigate until we started opening up.

Right. So I want to acknowledge you first, Kevin, for being a voice of possibilities for so many people,

specifically men, that, you know, us growing up, we didn't have a space typically around our

parents or around our peers to talk about our feelings or emotions, to talk about the confusion in our heart and our minds

of why we're feeling something. And so most of our childhood grew up being driven to prove

people wrong, driven to figure out how to overcome the anger emotion, because we didn't know

how to communicate anything else and

driven to succeed to prove our value.

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