Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know. I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

Welcome to the History Extra podcast.

Fascinating historical conversations from BBC History Magazine and BBC History Revealed.

What would you imagine a dream holiday would be in the romantic period? For many, including

the famous writer Percy Bish Shelley,

it was a trip up the famous Mount Vesuvius to peer inside the volcano's bubbling core

and experience a sensation known as the sublime. I spoke to John Brewer, author of Volcanic,

to learn more about how the romantics felt about Vesuvius,

from viewing it as a holiday destination to a political metaphor.

I'd like to start off by discussing the excavations themselves of the Roman towns of Herculaneum and Pompeii in the 18th century.

Can you give us an overview of the discoveries that happened in this period?

Well, yes. What's interesting is that it's a very slow process. You have to understand that, I mean, it seriously started in the 1730s, but even by the early 19th century, a great deal of Pompeii was still unexcavated. So it's a very gradual process, and you can see it as

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