If there will be a vaccine that is effective, it's very important that that vaccine becomes a global public, a people's vaccine, something that is affordable and accessible to everybody in the world.

Hello and welcome to the G0 World Podcast, where you'll find extended versions of the interviews from my show on public television.

And today, I'm taking a look

at the largest intergovernmental organization in the world. This year, the United Nations turned 75,

a diamond anniversary. But when it comes to solving some of the biggest issues today, has the UN lost

its luster? I'm talking to UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres. Let's get to it.

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Antonio Guterres, Secretary General of the United Nations,

75 years ago, born out of the crisis of World War II,

it gave the Americans and others the gumption and the willingness to put together this idealistic institution that we all need.

We have a crisis today. Is it helping?

It's not yet clear whether it will help or whether it will further undermine the possibilities of multilateral institutions to deliver.

I think that we are now confronted with two kinds of attitude.

Those that look at the COVID-19 and feel that it has shown the fragility of the world,

fragility in relation to a pandemic, a microscopic virus that's put us on our knees, fragility that would require us to be humble,

to understand that we need more unity, more solidarity, and that we need better governance

in global affairs, which means to strengthen international cooperation. On the other hand,

the same situation has led many people to think that, well, what we need

is to do it by ourselves.

Let's deal with our problems and forget about the others.

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