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The Liz Earle Wellbeing Show

Why we need to stop being perfect, with Thomas Curran

The Liz Earle Wellbeing Show

Liz Earle

Wellbeing, Arts, Gut Health, Self-improvement, Women's Health, Beauty, Healthy Ageing, Menopause, Midlife, Health & Fitness, Hormones, Supplements, Health, Exercise, Fashion & Beauty, Fitness, Education, Better Second Half, Skincare, Liz Earle

4.61.4K Ratings

🗓️ 8 September 2023

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Would you say you’re a perfectionist? Thomas Curran, Assistant Professor in the Department of Psychological and Behavioural Sciences at the London School of Economics, joins Liz to share how we can stop being so obsessed with perfectionism.


Thomas reveals why being perfect isn’t necessarily a good thing, how nurture and nature come into play here, and how to measure levels of perfectionism. The episode covers the reasons why perfectionism seems to be on the rise due to modern culture, deficit thinking, and how being perfect can rob our joy.


Thomas also shares the importance of living in the present, and the role of parenting in cultivating perfectionist tendencies in young people.


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0:00.0

There's some baggage that comes with perfectionism and that baggage comes in the way of self-criticism

0:04.8

So when we haven't met those excessively high standards, we can turn on ourselves.

0:10.3

We can question our abilities, question our appearances, question our performances

0:15.7

And so yes, on the one hand perfectionists do appear to have this kind of, you know, hyperfunctioning, I guess you call it

0:23.7

But on the other hand, they can really be harsh on themselves and that harsh of criticism can culminate in some quite negative mental health problems

0:36.1

Well, that's the voice of Thomas Curran, assistant professor in the Department of Psychological and Behavioral Science at the London School of Economics

0:44.1

And he's clear that we need to stop trying to be perfect

0:48.5

I'm Liz Arlan, this is the Lizl Wellbeing Show, the podcast helping us all to have a better second half

0:55.3

Very happy to have you joining me today and as I expect you to know by now, I'm really keen to find ways for us all to navigate aging well

1:04.7

and to thrive in later life by specifically investing in our health and our wellbeing today

1:10.7

And a big part of that of course is our mental attitude

1:14.3

More specifically perhaps how we look at life, both our own and the bigger picture stuff

1:20.0

And when it comes to perfectionism, I would have to hold my hand up as guilty as charged

1:25.3

I am forensic about detail, maybe it comes from being a brand founder and having my name on the tin

1:31.6

So to speak of any brand that I've created

1:34.3

So I feel it just has to be perfect in order to go well, you know, I'll agonise over the size and the shade of type on my magazine pages

1:42.6

For example, maybe wake up in the night bothered by the creases and a shirt I bought for speaking event

1:47.9

Oh my goodness, my other brand founders that I've met often seem to have the same mindset

1:53.5

Actually I was reminded of going to an opening of the newly refurbished John Frieda Salon in Mayfair

1:59.2

And this is a vast Emporium of state of the art lighting, acres of Carrera marble and mirrors

2:05.9

And I found John in the ladies' Lou scrubbing away microscopic particles of dust from the tile grout

2:13.0

I mean, I get it John, you know, if I had had a toothbrush in my pocket, I would have been right down on my knees to join you

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