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The Michael Shermer Show

Why We Get Fooled

The Michael Shermer Show

Michael Shermer

Dialogue, Science, Reason, Michaelshermer, Natural Sciences, Skeptic

4.4921 Ratings

🗓️ 1 August 2023

⏱️ 115 minutes

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Summary

From phishing scams to Ponzi schemes, fraudulent science to fake art, chess cheaters to crypto hucksters, and marketers to magicians, our world brims with deception. In Nobody’s Fool, psychologists Daniel Simons and Christopher Chabris show us how to avoid being taken in. They describe the key habits of thinking and reasoning that serve us well most of the time but make us vulnerable—like our tendency to accept what we see, stick to our commitments, and overvalue precision and consistency. Each chapter illustrates their new take on the science of deception, describing scams you’ve never heard of and shedding new light on some you have. Simons and Chabris provide memorable maxims and practical tools you can use to spot deception before it’s too late.

Christopher Chabris is a professor at Geisinger, a Pennsylvania healthcare system, where he co-directs the Behavioral Insights Team. He previously taught at Union College and Harvard University, and is a Fellow of the Association for Psychological Science. Chris received his Ph.D. in psychology and A.B. in computer science from Harvard. His research focuses on decision-making, attention, intelligence, and behavior genetics. His work has been published in leading journals including Science, Nature, PNAS, and Perception, and he has published essays in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and Washington Post. Chris is also a chess master, games enthusiast, and co-author of the bestselling book The Invisible Gorilla: How Our Intuitions Deceive Us.

Together Daniel and Christopher co-authored the new book Nobody’s Fool: Why We Get Taken In and What We Can Do about It.

Shermer, Simons, and Chabris discuss: • How rational vs. irrational are humans? (Daniel Kahneman vs. Gerd Gingerenzer) • Truth Default Theory, or Truth Bias • deception vs. deception detection • social proof and the influence of others on our beliefs • cults • Bernie Madoff • Harvey Weinstein • Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos • Nigerian spam scam • cheating in chess • habits of thought that can be exploited • information hooks we find especially enticing instead of triggering skepticism • scientific fraud and the replication crisis • how to prevent from being a victim of fraud or a con.

Transcript

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You're listening to the Michael Sherman Show Hi everyone Michael Schurmer time for another episode of the Michael Schurmer

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show this one is sponsored by another podcast this podcast is called Everything Everywhere Daily. This is one of my favorite new

0:37.7

podcasts I've been listening to the last few weeks. Gary Arnett posts these short like 10, 12, 14, 15, 16 minute clips on different topics, an incredible

0:50.2

variety of topics.

0:52.2

So and he posts them every single day and so just scrolling down

0:55.8

month by month you can go through lots of different subjects that I most of

1:02.0

them I've never even given any thought to so it's a great way to to kind of break out of whatever it is you're normally thinking about as Gary post these every day like here's one a history of the American flag.

1:13.2

I know nothing about this.

1:14.8

The Taj Mahal, the rarest feats and sports.

1:18.8

Canada Day, yeah, what's worth Canada Day?

1:21.1

Okay.

1:22.1

The origin of words and phrases in Shakespeare's

1:24.9

writings. Moa, yeah, the last man on the moon, who was the last man on the moon?

1:30.4

Everybody knows that Neil Armstrong was the first and Buzz Aldrin the second, but who was the last? Okay, we're going to find out if you listen to that and so on and so forth. Okay, so Gary is an interesting figure himself. He sold his business then he sold his house

1:45.2

then he started traveling around the world he's been everywhere and this peaked

1:49.0

his interest to take a look at different topics like these I've just mentioned.

1:53.8

And so I appreciate his support of the podcast.

1:56.0

I want to promote his podcast because I love listening to it.

1:58.4

And podcasts are really the new way to go for audio content while you're doing whatever you're doing.

2:07.0

In my case, driving, doing chores, riding my bike, walking the dog.

2:11.0

I pretty much just have the earbuds in just constantly listening to

2:14.8

the stuff and Gary's everything everywhere daily is now on my regular

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