Why We Can’t Quit the Mean Girl
Critics at Large | The New Yorker
The New Yorker
4.4 • 679 Ratings
🗓️ 1 February 2024
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
If some of us have managed to avoid mean girls in life, we’ve had no such luck in art. The “mean girl”—a picture of idealized femininity who usually heads up a like-minded clique—has appeared in films like “Clueless,” “Heathers,” and, of course, the 2004 classic “Mean Girls,” written by Tina Fey. Recently, the mean girl has received a makeover. In this episode of Critics at Large, the staff writers Vinson Cunningham, Naomi Fry, and Alexandra Schwartz discuss texts that have breathed new life into the trope, beginning with Ryan Murphy’s “Feud: Capote vs. The Swans,” which dramatizes the schism between the writer Truman Capote and the group of New York City socialites he called his “swans.” The hosts trace the figure of the mean girl through culture, from the character of Regina George—who returns in the 2024 movie-musical reboot of “Mean Girls,” albeit a little less mean than before—to the cast of “The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.” Today, the archetype is ripe for projection, appropriation, and maybe even for sympathy. “The hope and the fear looking at these mean girls is imagining how great their lives must be,” Fry says. “But I think concurrently we would be happy to learn that, in fact, it’s lonely at the top.”
Read, watch, and listen with the critics:
“The Allure of the Mean Friend,” on “This American Life”
“Carrie” (1976)
“Daniel Deronda,” by George Eliot
“Euphoria” (2019—)
“Feud: Capote vs. The Swans” (2024)
“Gossip Girl” (2007-2012)
“Heathers” (1988)
“La Côte Basque, 1965,” by Truman Capote (Esquire)
“Mean Girls” (2004)
“Mean Girls” (2024)
“101 Dalmatians” (1961)
“The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City” (2020—)
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| 0:00.0 | All right, I'm just going to throw a question into the void. |
| 0:05.1 | Into the cauldron of this podcast. |
| 0:07.9 | I'm going to throw a question to the cauldron, and I would like you to answer it without thinking too hard. |
| 0:13.5 | Who is your favorite mean girl? |
| 0:16.3 | The first one that comes to mind, which means that somewhere lodged very deeply in my brain, is Cruella Deville. Yes. The coat, the lipstick. That's really good. That's a good one. She's a good one. She's got a theme song. All right. Well, I have a girl to throw into the cauldron. I like Blair Waldorf. Oh. You know, a classic, a classic of her own time and my, and thus my time. |
| 0:40.9 | Mean Girl from Gossip Girl. That's right. Dominates her social circle, rules it with an iron fist, |
| 0:47.8 | decides what's in and what's out, is ruthless and petty, but also maintains a certain cock-eyed idealism. Interestingly, Brinette. Underneath her surface. All right, Nomi. Mine. I would probably have to say Heather Chandler from Hethers, like the first half, the main Heather. Can you, okay, I'm just going to come clean. I've never seen Heather. Me either. I was just about to say that and I thought I was going to be the one. |
| 1:12.7 | Okay, that's crazy. |
| 1:13.5 | That's crazy. |
| 1:15.5 | She's absolutely perfect. |
| 1:17.0 | Everybody is scared of her. |
| 1:19.2 | She ends up being killed. |
| 1:21.5 | Oh, no. |
| 1:22.3 | You know. |
| 1:23.5 | Wow. |
| 1:24.2 | Sorry to spoil your viewing of Heather's. |
| 1:29.8 | Welcome to Critics at Large, a podcast from The New Yorker. |
| 1:33.5 | I'm Nomi Fry. |
| 1:34.7 | I'm Vincent Cunningham. |
| 1:35.8 | And I'm Alex Schwartz. |
| 1:37.3 | Each week on this show, we make sense of what's happening in the culture right now and how we got here. |
| 1:42.6 | Hello, critics. |
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