Hey everybody. Welcome to the Nuckrake podcast. I'm Jared Yates-Saxon. As always, I'm here with Nick

Alseman. We have a really special guest today. Here in a second, we're going to speak to Robert P.

Jones, the author of White Too Long, the legacy of white supremacy and American Christianity.

A good conversation, I think, Nick. Yeah, absolutely terrific conversation. Yeah, and important to

understand the, again, the confluence of religion and power in this country. And it goes a long way

in explaining how we've reached the point that we're at and why this crisis is currently unfurling

in the way that it is.

Speaking of crises, before we get to this, we do have to remind you that next Tuesday is the first presidential election between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, a time that will be fraught with tension,

anxiety. I don't know about you, but I'm already sort of not looking forward to it.

What a sound that was.

You know, ah, am I looking forward to it?

I think I kind of want to see how he's going to call him out on like the, you know,

the Supreme Court stuff and whatever. But here's the worst part about it. They're both going to declare victory. Whoever's going to scream louder, I guess, will end up like winning the debate. And that just frustrates me that you're not, you shouldn't be allowed to do that anymore. But the, but the spin is too, is too strong with both of these people. So here's the thing.

I am proposing.

Don't pay attention to spin.

You don't have to turn on the TV and watch the regular pundits get on and declare their guy, the winner.

Come hang out with us, right?

Because I'll tell you what.

We are offering exclusive coverage of this year's debate.

It is exclusive to our patrons over at patreon.com slash muckrake podcast.

We're going to be on Tuesday night, as long as there's a debate, offering you free analysis and instantaneous reactions.

So go on over to patreon.com slash muckrake podcast.

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