Hi, this is Women Who Travel, a podcast from Conday Nas Traveler.

I'm Laleigh Ari Coglu, and with me, as always, is my wonderful co-host Meredith Carey.

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And for this week's episode, we're joined by Erica Owen, author of The Art of the Nuring, How to Wander with Intention and Discover a Better Life.

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And sex and wellness writer and women who travel columnist Laura Deloato to talk about how,

well, we all just need to slow down a bit when we're traveling.

Whenever I'm in a new place, I feel a constant pressure to do everything.

I need to eat at the coolest restaurants,

shop the coolest shops, see that Instagrammable weird art thing that everyone's seeing and prove that I was there. And I often end up missing out on the best thing about travel, which is actually

getting to know a place. And Erica, you've kind of written an entire book about this very thing.

Yes. All 200 pages are about essentially that idea that you just said.

And to the uninitiated, what is flanuring?

Sure. So, flanoring, there's a good chance you've already done it.

It's kind of like huga in that you're very familiar with the feeling of it, but you

don't necessarily knew, you didn't know there was a word for it. It's wandering without intention,

so it's not choosing a destination, it's just going outside, going, you know, you can be inside,

you can be in a shopping mall, you can be in a park, and wandering without any point B in mind.

So not interacting with your environment, but just being a wallflower.

How do you feel like it has influenced the way that you take trips?

Yeah, so I've always been a person who likes to plan one thing, maybe two things to do in a day, and then just get a little bit lost, not too lost. That's disastrous.

There's so much pressure with making sure, like you mentioned, you're doing all the coolest things,

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