Why Uncertainty Is an Opportunity (and some Wall Street players don't want you to know that) SB1847
The Stacking Benjamins Show
Joe Saul-Sehy and Josh ‘OG’ Bannerman, CFP
4.4 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 27 May 2026
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
The five highest global uncertainty readings since the 1980s have all occurred in the last five years. And yet the answer Wall Street keeps selling -- products that promise upside without downside -- is mathematically impossible and provably underperforms over time. Simone Stolzoff, author of How to Not Know, spent years studying how people, companies, and investors navigate uncertainty well. His findings are the opposite of what the financial industry is selling you right now.
What You'll Walk Away With
- Why our tolerance for uncertainty is declining -- and the specific role smartphones and real-time data have played in making investors more anxious and worse at decision-making
- The anchor framework: how certainty in some areas of your life makes it dramatically easier to hold uncertainty in others -- and what that means for how you build a financial plan
- The Slack origin story -- how a gaming company at the peak of its success chose to shut down and pivot into the unknown, and what that teaches about staying open to what might emerge
- Why Warren Buffett and the best venture capitalists actively seek uncertainty -- and how confusion between uncertainty and danger costs most investors real money
- The kill criteria concept borrowed from mountain climbing -- and how pre-committing to rules before the emotion hits is the only reliable way to prevent catastrophic decisions
- One-way doors versus two-way doors: the Jeff Bezos framework for knowing when to agonize over a decision and when to just act
- Why buffer ETFs are mathematically required to underperform broad index funds over time -- and the one question that exposes every "downside protection" pitch instantly
- OG's case for looking at your portfolio as rarely as possible -- and the surprising thing that happened when he checked his mortgage balance after months away
- Why building a financial plan around your actual goals makes the daily market headlines genuinely irrelevant -- not as a coping strategy, but as a logical outcome
- Kathy's story: what a special education teacher who maxed her Roth IRA every year from 1998 to 2024 has in her account today
Why This Matters Now
Markets will always be uncertain. Headlines will always be alarming. The question isn't how to make that stop -- it's how to build a life and a plan sturdy enough that it doesn't matter. This episode is the clearest case we've made for why your financial plan is more important than your portfolio, and why the two are not the same thing.
From the Basement
Simone Stolzoff joins Joe and OG to unpack the psychology of uncertainty -- including a couple who took a year apart to figure out if they wanted to stay married, a software engineer who programmed an app to make all his life decisions, and the monk who said not knowing is the most intimate thing of all. The Investment News headline about clients wanting "headline-proof portfolios" gives OG a full platform to explain why buffer ETFs are a product designed for the advisor's book of business, not your retirement. Doug arrives with Wild Bill Hickok trivia. Kathy from the community sends a note that should be required reading for every Gen X stacker who thinks they're behind.
Resources Mentioned
- How to Not Know: The Value of Uncertainty in a World That Demands Answers by Simone Stolzoff -- available wherever books are sold; early readers receive an invitation to an exclusive event with Michael Lewis
- Simone Stolzoff -- simonestolzoff.com
- Investment News -- "Advisors say more clients are seeking to headline-proof their portfolios" by Greg Greenberg; linked at stackingbenjamins.com
- Stacking Benjamins Episode 1840 -- "Why 67% of Americans Fear Running Out of Money More Than Dying"; stackingbenjamins.com
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- Stacking Benjamins Newsletter (The 201) -- stackingbenjamins.com/201
- Stacking Benjamins Community -- stackingbenjamins.com/basement
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | They're dogs, and they're playing poker! |
| 0:04.3 | Ah! |
| 0:05.3 | Ha! |
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| 0:07.0 | Ah! |
| 0:08.0 | Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. |
| 0:13.0 | Live from Joe's mom's basement, it's the Stacking Benjamin's show. |
| 0:34.4 | I'm Joe's mom's neighbor, Doug, and to put it mildly, things have been a scotche uncertain lately, haven't they? |
| 0:35.6 | Between AI, Iran, inflation, and that dispute at the |
| 0:39.2 | pickleball court last week, there's a ton to worry about. Today's mentor is a guy who studied |
| 0:44.6 | how to keep it all together in the face of uncertainty, and today he's going to share his |
| 0:49.8 | findings with you. Simone Stoles off. In our headline segment, lots of investors are choosing a horrible way to deal with uncertainty. |
| 0:58.2 | What is it? |
| 0:58.9 | We'll jump in. |
| 1:00.1 | Plus, you asked for it. |
| 1:01.4 | You got it. |
| 1:02.4 | Let's bring the best trivia question ever right here to your listening device. |
| 1:07.1 | And now here come two guys who are listening for the sounds of better money habits coming |
| 1:12.4 | from your house. It's Joe and oh, Jha, Jha, Jha, Jee. |
| 1:20.2 | Hey there, Stackers. Welcome back to the greatest money show on Earth. This is Stacking Benjamin. |
| 1:24.9 | Super happy that you're here with us. Super happy the guy across the card table is here with us. Mr. OG back again by popular demand. How are you? Super, super duper happy. Super duper, duper happy. Super beyond happy. Yeah, it's a great Wednesday here. We're talking about uncertainty, but there is no uncertainty here. We're going to have a great episode. There's some certainty that we will. |
| 1:45.7 | Uncertainty, whether or not, certainly our plan to have some certainty. |
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