I'm Joanna Coles and this is the Daily Beast podcast. Thank you for your comments on our last guest, James Carville. Many of you agreed with him about the AOC and Bernie Sanders oligarchy tour. I wonder how many of you will agree with today's commentator, Oliver Darcy. He's the founder of the status newsletter, which specialises in media

and politics. He is like a hawk with Wi-Fi. He's as transparent as cling film. So silence your

push alerts, unless they're from Oliver. And let's get into it. Well, you have a very energetic

newsletter, and I want to come to that in a moment.

But first, we're going to discuss the media and Donald Trump.

Let's get into the central paradox that this is a man who is declaring the media enemy of the people.

He's going after the very businesses that own a lot of our legacy media and broadcasting.

And yet he is a man who's been utterly created by the media. He is of the media and he has

dominated the media for the last 40 years in a way that almost no other person has. Actually,

it's hard to think of anybody who's rivaled every single form of it.

He's gone from newspapers to magazines, to digital, to television. Explain the paradox.

Well, I think it's interesting. I think there's a phenomenon, actually, of people who are

catapulted into stardom by the media. I think of Elon Musk a lot in this regard, where he just knew how to play the media for years and years.

And they really hyped him.

They hyped Tesla, the hype SpaceX.

They made Elon Musk, you know, the next Newton of our time.

And in the same way, Donald Trump was very hyped by the media.

The tabloids loved him,

obviously with The Apprentice, he was beamed into every living room in the country.

People celebrated Donald Trump and held him up.

And right when he waded into politics, I think, obviously, the media became more critical of him.

And it's almost like he couldn't figure out how to react.

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