Hi, everybody. I'm Brittany Lewis, a breaking news reporter here at Forbes. Joining me now is my

Forbes colleague, staff writer John Hyatt. John, thanks so much for joining me. Good to be here,

Brittany. Looking at the past three months of Trump round two, there are really two pillars that are

defining President Trump's second term, tariffs and

Elon Musk. And as we saw with tariffs, President Trump has threatened, started, paused,

and escalated trade wars with allies and adversaries alike. And as we see with Elon Musk,

he is a senior Trump advisor. He has endorsed President Trump since July and has really been an ardent

supporter. He's also the face of Doge. So I'm curious at the intersection of these two pillars

here, Elon Musk and tariffs. What has Elon Musk said about tariffs so far? What has been his

reaction? Yeah, so tariffs have been almost a breaking point between Musk and Trump.

Until Liberation Day, just two weeks ago now,

these two men have really been in lockstep.

Musk has been supporting Trump and his administration's slew of executive orders and initiatives at every step,

while Trump has been supporting Elon Musk's controversial Doge efforts.

But with the Liberation Day tariffs and the ensuing market chaos, we have seen a sort of break between Trump and Musk, which has been

sort of playing out on X, Musk's social media platform, as well as between an ongoing spat

between Musk and one of Trump's critical trade advisors, Peter Navarro. And so it's been really

interesting to play out. And there's a lot at stake for Musk.

The tariff back and forth was really the first time we saw Elon Musk not publicly in

lockstep with President Trump.

And this really came to a head after President Trump's top White House trade advisor,

Peter Navarro, made some comments about Elon Musk.

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