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The Daily Beast Podcast

Why Trump Is Using a Moron to Run His 'War': Wolff

The Daily Beast Podcast

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4.68.4K Ratings

🗓️ 7 December 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Michael Wolff joins Joanna Coles to dissect a president who never asks the hard questions, leaving aides scrambling to explain what he refuses to understand. They dig into the Venezuela-bombed boats debacle and Pete Hegseth’s role, tracing how the story spiraled into Hegseth’s emerging SignalGate scandal. Wolff charts the frustration, chaos, and quiet panic inside Trumpworld, while Joanna presses on the larger pattern: a leader whose curiosity stops at the surface, imperiling both policy and loyalty. The two ask: What happens when those closest to Trump can’t keep up with—or contain—his blind spots? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

These guys, Hegsseth and Trump, are not engaging in the extremely complex combat decisions related to, for instance, Ukraine.

0:13.0

I mean, that's a, that is a difficult situation, a situation which requires some attention of these attention deficit guys.

0:24.8

Whereas bombing an unarmed small boat in the middle of the sea, in which nothing is at stake

0:32.6

other than the lives of some purported drug carriers drug carriers i mean this is just shameful michael

0:44.8

joanna michael so many comments commenting on your spiciness people saying i I love Michael when he's spicy.

0:56.5

What does spicy mean, do you think?

0:58.9

I think it means that you're kind of, you know,

1:03.9

I think it means we're getting into it.

1:05.8

But spicy was the word.

1:07.6

Does it mean prickly or does it mean funny?

1:12.1

I think it means spicy as in a spicy pepper or chili flakes on your pizza.

1:18.1

I get that.

1:18.9

I'm just trying to translate that into human behavior and not food.

1:23.0

We're looking to...

1:24.8

I think it means on the cusp of possibly throwing a hissy foot.

1:30.6

To, at you.

1:32.4

At me.

1:33.3

Yes, totally.

1:34.6

I've been on that cusp.

1:36.7

Years and years and years.

1:38.5

I've gone over.

1:39.6

I've done over that cusp.

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