meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
Capitalisn't

Why Trump Is Deregulating In The Wrong Way, with Sam Peltzman

Capitalisn't

University of Chicago Podcast Network

Stigler Center, Chicago Booth, Socialism, Antitrust, University Of Chicago Podcast Network, Growth, 087667, Policy, Monopoly, Professors, Distortion, Research, Competition, Capitalisnt, Inequality, Promarket, Politics, Policymaking, Special Interest, Economics, Efficiency, Regulations, Chicago, Business, Markets, University Of Chicago, Kate Waldock, Capitalism, Friction, Bethany Mclean, Government, Macroeconomics, News, Education, Waldock, Georgetown, Microeconomics, Luigi Zingales, Zingales, Finance, Ucpn

4.5584 Ratings

🗓️ 20 March 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

In President Donald Trump's recent joint address to Congress, he said, "To unshackle our economy, I have directed that for every one new regulation, ten old regulations must be eliminated." Elon Musk, whom Trump has assigned to execute this vision, has argued that it is time to get rid of all regulations, or as Musk said, “regulations, basically, should be default gone.” Joining Bethany and Luigi to discuss this intensified commitment to deregulation and laissez-faire capitalism is Sam Peltzman, perhaps the leading living expert on the economics of regulation. Peltzman is the Ralph and Dorothy Keller Distinguished Service Professor Emeritus of Economics at the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business and director emeritus of the Stigler Center, which sponsors this podcast and is named after his mentor, Nobel-Prize laureate George Stigler. Together, the three of them chart a historical perspective on regulation, from Stigler’s ideas of regulatory capture to the unintended consequences of deregulatory efforts over time to today’s “chainsaw” approach to gutting federal agencies. To understand the costs and benefits of regulation, they discuss how federal agencies have recently intervened in markets, if the private sector could not have accomplished these interventions more efficiently, and if these interventions did more harm than good. Their case studies include the funding, testing, and rollout of the COVID-19 vaccine, the regulation of cryptocurrencies, the management of the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank, and the role of the government in addressing climate change. In the process, they answer the trillion-dollar question: Are Trump's deregulation efforts actually efficient?

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

If you were serious about changing regulation, you wouldn't start by firing bureaucrats.

0:07.9

I think that's performed. There's a lot of performative stuff that goes on.

0:15.6

I'm Bethany McLean.

0:17.3

Did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism and whether greed's a good idea?

0:22.5

And I'm Luigi Zengalis. We have socialism for the very rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

0:29.4

And this is Capital Isn't, a podcast about what is working in capitalism. First of all, tell me,

0:34.8

is there some society you know that doesn't run on greed?

0:37.8

And most importantly, what isn't?

0:39.8

We ought to do better by the people that get left behind.

0:42.7

I don't think we shouldn't kill the capital system in the process.

0:46.4

There are lots of things to be said about the present moment, but one thing we could label

0:51.3

is that this is a new age of deregulation.

0:55.3

In President Trump's recent address to Congress, he said, to unshackle our economy, I have directed that for every one new

1:01.0

regulation, 10 old regulations must be eliminated. Part of the executive order Trump sign says

1:06.8

agencies must follow how the president and attorney general interpret the law.

1:12.7

The new head of the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency, has announced the biggest

1:17.3

deregulatory action in U.S. history.

1:19.7

The proposed rollbacks would impact dozens of rules from emissions limits for power plants

1:24.7

and vehicles to waste water regulations and air quality standards.

1:29.3

Elon Musk has argued that it's time to get rid of all regulations, or as he said, regulations

1:34.8

basically should be default gone.

1:36.8

If year after year, there are more laws and regulations passed and more regulatory bodies

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from University of Chicago Podcast Network, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of University of Chicago Podcast Network and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.