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The Warning with Steve Schmidt

Why Trump Doesn't Care About The Rule Of Law | A Conversation with Judge Michael Luttig & Ryan Lizza

The Warning with Steve Schmidt

Steve Schmidt

News, Politics, Government

4.8784 Ratings

🗓️ 4 July 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Despite numerous rulings against his policies, Trump continues to ignore judicial orders and do as he pleases. Steve Schmidt sits down with Judge Michael Luttig and Ryan Lizza to discuss the erosion of civil liberties and how we can preserve American democracy. Subscribe for more and follow me here: Substack: https://steveschmidt.substack.com/subscribe Store: https://thewarningwithsteveschmidt.com/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/thewarningses.bsky.social Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SteveSchmidtSES/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thewarningses Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thewarningses/ X: https://x.com/SteveSchmidtSES

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0:00.0

Steve Schmidt here with the warning, and I am thrilled today to be joined by Ryan Liza,

0:06.2

at Teleos, and also the renowned American patriot and jurist, Judge Michael Ludig,

0:14.8

who has written exclusively with Ryan today a piece that we're going to talk about that is important

0:23.7

to talk about. And it's about something that's difficult for me to talk about in a public

0:32.1

space, which is faith and belief. And self-evident truths steeped in faith and belief.

0:43.1

So because Judge Ludig is one of the preeminent jurists of this generation in history

0:51.8

will record in this moment of American crisis his titanic integrity and contributions

1:01.4

to the sustainment of the rule of law.

1:05.9

I think we should start this conversation by invoking some of the words of another giant of American

1:15.4

history, another jurist, Judge Lernet Hand, who gave a speech in 1944 called the Spirit of Liberty.

1:27.3

And I'm going to read an excerpt of that speech as we get started

1:37.4

in the conversation. And Judge Hand said in 1944, what then is the spirit of liberty? I cannot define it.

1:49.6

Can only tell you my own faith. The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is

1:56.7

right. The spirit of liberty is the spirit which seeks to understand the mind of other men and

2:03.6

women. The spirit of liberty is the spirit which weighs their interests alongside its own

2:09.4

without bias. The spirit of liberty remembers that not even a sparrow falls to earth unheeded.

2:18.4

The spirit of liberty is the spirit of him,

2:21.9

who near 2,000 years ago taught mankind that lesson it has never learned,

2:27.9

but never quite forgotten,

2:29.9

that there may be a kingdom where the least shall be heard and considered side by side with the

2:37.2

greatest. And now in that spirit, that spirit of an America, which has never been, and which may

2:45.9

never be, nay, which never will be, except all the conscience and courage of Americans create it yet in the

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