I think if people are listening to this, they probably spend some number of hours per day or per

week looking at crypto. If you're not dedicating any time to looking at AI agents, I think that's a

big mistake right now. I think you need to be taking some significant amount of your weekly

allocated hours to crypto and you should be looking at this sector because it's just very interesting

and there could be some great investment opportunities out of it, although 99.999% of it is going

to collapse and never produce anything. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Unchained, your no hype resource

for all things crypto. I'm your host,

Laura Shin. We are now featuring quotes from listeners on the show. Today we have one from

Joseph DeLong, who commented on guest Mark Zeller's comments that liquid stinking tokens should not

exist in Ethereum. DeLong wrote on X, quote, the design was intentional to prevent what Lido is,

stake concentration. Unfortunately, the result is exactly the same with worse mechanisms.

O' the joys of experimentation. To have your comment featured on the show, write a review of the

podcast overall, or leave a comment on our video on YouTube or on X. This is the January 10th, 2025 episode of Unchained.

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Today's guest is Travis Kling, chief Investment Officer of Ikigai Asset Management.

Welcome, Travis.

Thanks for having me.

Good to see you.

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