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We're back, Ben. We're back.

How are you?

Good to see you in person.

Yeah. Apparently, we're not allowed us to catch up just yet because it's an important

to talk about.

We can do that later on.

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And if you're audio, just sit back and let the good times roll. Let's get to it. Question from Chuck, interesting now, my thought. It's like the producer made that one up. With Tom Willis joining Bordeaux. With Tom Willis joining Bordeaux. What does Steve Balfourke do about England's number eight position?

Yeah, well, I think like his brother's over there. I know they are really close. He played there before. Bordeaux, they're not a bad team. Are they?

Well, I mean, they are, as you say. Champions of Europe.

Champions of Europe. Of course, we're so close in the top 14, just gone. Yeah. Great, great crowd. Great fan base. Exactly. Brilliant place to live. Yeah. So in terms of life. Great social. Great social. Yes. A way trip last year. Near the U-boat pens. Yes. Been there. Yes. I know, like, in terms of that movement for lifestyle and also a bottom,, it's different. I appreciate people that, um, a bit different. You know what I mean? Like one thing I probably learned in my life is like being quite square and steady state. It's like people who actually take a risk and jump out of that and stuff that I wouldn't do. But you appreciate them and you, you congratulate them because you're like, fair play to you, you do what's right for you and like, good on you. Yeah, I agree, like good, good on him. Like, it is a loss for England. Like, Tom Willis has been fantastic. Yes. Like, fantastic. And you'd say that he is that if he wasn't going, you go, he's your eight. He is your eight all the way when you go games in argentina in like the summer where he's basically dominate the middle of field like bouncing blokes off carrying him so much carry power england jackling tackling like just doing everything and the involvements in the game through the roof as he has been for saracons like for the past sort of year and a half whatever it's like, like, initially leads to the teams and carries,

tackles, jackals, everything. So yeah,

no, he's, he's been phenomenal.

And he is a loss for England because he is, like, so good.

I think the fact that Jack Willis is out there and thriving,

playing amazing rugby,

and shows there is a life without international rugby, you know?

And the fact that he'd been there already, been to Bordeaux, experienced it for a season when Woss folded, they snapped him up quickly, he went out there, he's got experience of it.

He's going back to somewhere that he clearly really enjoyed. Yes, international rugby.

He's done, you know, the last two years, a sort of really sort of broke through, let's say, and establish himself as, you know, a back row option, certainly like

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