Welcome to Current Affairs. My name is Nathan Robinson. I'm the editor-in-chief of Current Affairs Magazine.

I am joined today by Kahal Moran, who returns to the program after appearing previously to discuss the book, The Econocracy.

It joins us today to discuss the life- The Econocracy. It joins us today to discuss the life, career, and ideas of best-selling economist Thomas

Soul about whom I have written and about whom he has recorded a two-hour and 41-minute YouTube video,

which is part one of what I assume is a two-part series,

but there's so much to unpack that who knows how long you'll have to go before it stops.

Kahamara, welcome back to the program.

Yeah, thanks very much for having me.

Now, you are, last time you came on,

the listeners didn't hear that I had a revelation at the end of the program,

which is I did the whole interview with you

without realizing that you are, in fact, the mysterious entity or once

mysterious entity known as unlearning economics.

Yeah, I thought that was quite funny.

I guess I kind of kept it secret for quite a long time, but I sort of increasingly stopped caring about

if people knew who I was.

But it was funny because you'd actually written for our magazine.

I'd read your blog as Unlearning Economics for a long time, which was excellent, and really

enjoyed your work.

And then I talked to you completely separately about this book that you had published under

your own name and your other work.

And then at the end, I believe I asked you, do you know who this utterly

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