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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

Why this week’s media meltdown was years in the making – and what comes next

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Government, Politics

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 28 April 2023

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

This week in Washington – more so than anytime in Joe Biden’s presidency – the news has been all about… the news. To start, it’s the weekend of the White House Correspondents Association Dinner. But outside of the brunches and parties, a different type of media intrigue has been dominating politics.  BuzzFeed News, the colossus of yesteryear’s viral reporting and the entity that published the infamous Steele Dossier about Donald Trump, announced that it was shutting down for good. On Monday, Fox News fired Tucker Carlson, their top-rated host. Within an hour, Don Lemon announced he was parting ways with CNN, where he had worked for 17 years.  On Thursday, Vice News, another struggling pioneer of 21st century digital news, became the latest media company to lay off some of its best known reporters.  These are all isolated events with circumstances specific to each newsroom. But in an excellent new book called Traffic: Genius, Rivalry, and Delusion in the Billion-Dollar Race to Go Viral,  Ben Smith argues that we are indeed at the end of an era in media, but that the next one might be something to look forward to.  That’s a forceful prediction coming from Ben, who was a longtime reporter at POLITICO, the top editor at BuzzFeed News, a New York Times media columnist, and now is the editor-in-chief of Semafor. He’s also this week’s Playbook Deep Dive guest. Ben’s book and this interview with Deep Dive Host and Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza do their best to answer the questions we all have about why our political culture is so fragmented, and whether there is any hope that we can return to a place where Americans agree on simple things — like facts. Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Ben Smith is the editor-in-chief of Semafor.Afra Abdullah is an associate producer for POLITICO audio.Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio. Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio.Jenny Ament is the executive producer for POLITICO audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This Week in Washington, more so than any time in Joe Biden's presidency, the news has been

0:07.9

all about the news. To start, it's the weekend of the White House Correspondence Association

0:14.3

Dinner, which is Mardi Gras for the press and politicians, smoothing with celebrities at

0:19.8

scores of events here in D.C. Outside of the brunches and parties, a different type of media

0:26.4

intrigue has been dominating politics. BuzzFeed News, the Colossus of Yesteryear's viral

0:33.1

reporting, and the entity that published the infamous steel dossier about Donald Trump announced

0:39.0

that it was shutting down for good. On Monday, Fox News fired Tucker Carlson, their top-rated

0:45.3

host. Within an hour, Don Lemon announced that he was parting ways with CNN, where he had worked

0:51.3

for 17 years. On Thursday, Vice News, another struggling pioneer of 21st Century Digital News,

0:57.9

became the latest media company to lay off some of its best-known reporters. These are all

1:03.0

isolated events with circumstances specific to each newsroom, but in an excellent new book

1:08.4

called Traffic, Genius, Rivalry, and Delusion in the Billion Dollar Race to Go viral, Ben Smith

1:14.4

argues that we are indeed at the end of an era in media. And he also says that the next one

1:21.4

might just be something to look forward to. I'm Ryan Liza, this is Playbook Deep Dive.

1:33.6

Ben Smith helped define the last era of media, starting early in his career as a blogger

1:40.0

when that was something still edgy and cool. Then as a longtime reporter here at Politico,

1:45.4

the top editor at BuzzFeed News, the media columnist for The New York Times,

1:50.2

and now is the founding editor of The New Media Company, Semaphore. His book Traffic

1:55.4

tells a story about the origins of the modern media and the sometimes poisonous consequences

2:00.8

it has had. It does its best to answer the questions we all have about why our political culture

2:06.5

is so fragmented, and whether there's any hope that we can return to a place where Americans

2:11.6

agree on simple things, like facts. Along the way, the book chronicles the rise and fall of some of

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